Speaker 1: 0:01

Hi, welcome to our podcast Revelation Within on the Go. I'm Heidi Biles-Maepperson, one of your hosts and the owner and lead coach of the Revelation Within ministry.

Speaker 2: 0:12

And I'm Christina Motley, your other host, also a Revelation Within coach and Heidi's partner in all things Revelation Within. We're so happy to invite you to join us for this episode of Revelation Within on the go.

Speaker 1: 0:34

Well, I'm kind of excited to dive into God's word today and I thought it might be helpful to look at a few examples where people of God in the scriptures renewed their minds. That sounds like a great idea, Heidi.

Speaker 1: 0:48

I love that idea For each of these different vignettes, if you will. We're going to read a passage and then describe why we consider it like a mind renewal session or renewing the mind on the fly, just to give us an example of where God has in his word. He doesn't just command it, he gives us examples, which I think is super awesome. Just a reminder. Mind renewal is simply thinking God's thoughts after him. It may come in the form of recounting God's blessings and may come in the form of God's attributes and praising him for who he is or thanking him, or it might come in the form of I will. That choice I choose and I will is a great example of that.

Speaker 2: 1:41

Renewing of the mind. That's not something we ever talk about. Oh, never, ever talk about no, not ever yeah, heidi, and I could talk about this for weeks and never, ever stop. We are so passionate about this, yeah, so I am really excited to look in the word with you, heidi, and see examples of this. Yeah, that God left for us in the word. I love it.

Speaker 1: 2:09

Yes, so we're going to start with Psalm 42. And I had a look at Matthew Henry's commentary about this Psalm to kind of see if he had come to any conclusions about who the author is, because sometimes it's really clear who the authors are of the Psalms and sometimes not so much. Well, he suggests that the author is likely David. It's not a for sure thing, but it may have been penned by David during the persecution from Saul, or maybe David's son Absalom. He had this big old rebellion and was like ousting David from his role, and so Matthew Henry writes that David was driven from the sanctuary and cut off from the privilege of joining in publicly with the people in worship and praise, and it broke his heart. So that's kind of the context for Psalm 42. Christina, do you want to read the first stanza?

Speaker 2: 3:07

Sure, okay. Psalm 42. These things I remember as I pour out my soul, how I used to go to the house of God under the protection of the Mighty One, with shouts of joy and praise among the festive throng.

Speaker 1: 3:24

I love this because when and we started in verse four, by the way, just for time's sake, but I love that when he's down, rather than just go lick wounds or something, he chooses to remember and chooses to pour out his soul to God, he remembers the way things were and that God is mighty and he protects his people. That's like a praise fest on the fly.

Speaker 2: 3:55

Heidi, I was just telling you about how I was pouring my soul out to the Lord last night at like 1am.

Speaker 1: 4:03

Yeah, you were.

Speaker 2: 4:03

Yeah, I just I love um that. This is kind of how the Psalm begins. I mean, I know we're on verse four, um, but I just, like you said, he's rather than going to something else, rather than going to um. I don't know what he might have gone to at that time, but well, I kind of do. Okay, rather than going to a counterfeit comfort, he is, like you said, choosing to remember pouring out his soul. He's going to the Lord, he's thinking about what God is like, he's going back to what he knows for sure. And I love that, and I did that last night. I've had a really, really challenging week. There's something about going to the Lord and pouring out your soul, just the two of you, in total privacy. It is so important, it is so important. So I love that. And obviously he's already started renewing his mind, telling himself what is true.

Speaker 1: 5:11

Right, telling himself what God's thoughts are, and I love that. Verse five goes on and he says why, my soul, are you downcast? So he's speaking to his own soul. I had a pastor once who said we need to preach the gospel to our souls every day and I kind of see why he said that, why, my soul, are you downcast? Why so disturbed within me.

Speaker 1: 5:36

And it's kind of a rhetorical question in a way, because he's just reminded himself of what God is like and the joy he had as he went with all the people. And he's reminding himself what do you have really to be down about Now? It doesn't mean we want to deny the feelings that we do have, but he goes on to say put, and he's speaking to his soul. So he's saying, soul, put your hope in God, for I will yet praise him, my savior and my God. So it's interesting to me how he's speaking to his soul. Hey, soul, put your hope in God. And then he says I will, which is another great mind renewal tool. It's like I choose, I get to choose and I can choose to praise and also, on the Fly Mind Renewal, godless Praise Fest. He's my savior and my God. So I love that verse five has several of those kind of intertwined.

Speaker 2: 6:35

Yeah well, and I can relate to what he's saying. Why are you downcast? So some of the things that I'll say to myself what's going on with you, christina? I mean, why are you so out of sorts? Why are you agitated, or why are you feeling so sad today? What's going on with you? Like I do speak to myself that way sometimes, so I can relate to that, to speaking to myself, to my own soul, but I love that idea of put your hope in God, like you're speaking to yourself. Again, he's renewing his mind with what he knows is true. He knows where his hope is and he knows that he is devoted to God. He knows that he will continue to praise him, no matter how downcast he is, and he knows that God is the one who saves him, not just once, but again and again. He calls him my savior and my God.

Speaker 1: 7:37

I also like that he's not denying his feelings.

Speaker 2: 7:40

Yes.

Speaker 1: 7:40

So he's speaking to his soul, but he's not saying oh, you don't feel that way, yeah, or?

Speaker 2: 7:47

I'm fine, I'm okay.

Speaker 1: 7:49

I'm fine. Yeah, I'm fine, yeah, no you know what?

Speaker 2: 7:50

I'm good, I'm good. Yeah, how many times do we hear people say that it's like oh my gosh, this, this, this and this just happened to you this week. Wow, you must be just reeling. Nope, I'm good.

Speaker 1: 8:05

Instead, he's really honest. Do you want to read verse six to us?

Speaker 2: 8:08

Yes, my soul is downcast within me. Therefore, I will remember you from the land of the Jordan, the heights of Hermon, from Mount Mizar.

Speaker 1: 8:19

Yeah, so I love that. He's honest. His soul is downcast.

Speaker 1: 8:23

But there's this therefore and I've heard pastors say when you see a, therefore, you need to look back at what comes before to see what the therefore is there for. Yeah, and it's because his soul is downcast. He doesn't just lick his wounds or hide in a closet somewhere or kind of drown his sorrows in a big sea of whatever they would drink at that time. Instead, he will remember you, lord. He remembers you. I love that and that's what I want to do. That's what you did last night, because you were downcast. Therefore, you remembered the Lord and the things that God has done and is doing.

Speaker 2: 9:05

Well, and we have, I will again. So I will yet praise him from the last verse and then I will remember you. And then remember, you know is this is the second time that that's mentioned. So what is he doing? He's remembering, he's turning to the Lord, he is looking to him and he's telling his own soul. What is he doing? He's remembering, he's turning to the Lord, he is looking to him and he's telling his own soul. What is true? This is such a beautiful example of the renewing of the mind I love it, it's so beautiful.

Speaker 1: 9:35

Yes, verse seven I love, or seven deep calls to deep. In the roar of your waterfalls, all your waves and breakers have swept over me. Yeah, there's so much I could say about this verse and how God has used it to minister to me, but I'll just say that I really believe that when and Christina and I were talking about this this morning I really believe when I'm having a yearning for something that I turn to a counterfeit comfort for and it's really God that I'm yearning for and only he will satisfy, I think it's because God is calling to me. I think God, deep, calls to deep, and so his spirit lives in me and I think God is calling to his spirit in me to come to him.

Speaker 1: 10:25

And so very often I don't identify that as what's going on and I turn to counterfeit comforts. I have a longing All right it's, but it's a longing for God, and so I, I I feel like this is kind of where David calls it what it is. It's you, lord, who's calling to me, and I also can identify with feeling like I'm drowning. I don't know if that's what he means in the rest of verse seven the roar of your waterfalls, all your waves and breakers have swept over me. Have you ever gone swimming in the ocean where you got caught at just the wrong moment in the waves and you felt like you were in the spin cycle of a washing machine?

Speaker 2: 11:10

A million times, because I grew up in Southern California. We went to the beach often and, yes, we called it the washing machine.

Speaker 1: 11:19

If you don't go deep enough or if you don't come all the way out, you can end up feeling like you're caught and I so I kind of imagine that might be the way the psalmist felt like and that can come through trials, which it clearly was to the psalmist. But in the midst of that washing machine, feeling like I'm drowning, deep calls to deep, the Holy Spirit calls to the Holy Spirit in me and he's inviting me to come.

Speaker 2: 11:47

I love that. Our family was recently in Oregon because my middle daughter graduated from college and on the last day we were there we decided to go to this waterfall and it was just huge, this amazing, amazing, huge waterfall. And you know, from a distance you don't really hear it. From a distance you don't really feel the power of it. But when you're there and you know just the water coming off of it has soaked you. There is a roar with this waterfall and I think that you know so often that's what life sounds like. It sounds like a roar around us and we can't find our bearings. You know, we can't like hear what we need to hear. We feel consumed really by that roar and that in the midst of that, deep calls to deep you know we can hear God in the midst of the waterfall, the roar, I mean, yes, it was beautiful.

Speaker 2: 12:44

It was a little bit overwhelming, I think, a little bit scary, like I imagine being. You know being in that waterfall and how tumultuous that would well, you wouldn't survive. It was that big. So you know, we feel that way. Often Things come in our lives that feel like we're being pummeled, almost like buried, drowned by the roar of this huge waterfall. So I love the way. I mean it's extreme. He's obviously feeling extreme emotions here if he's going to talk about roar of waterfalls and waves and breakers sweeping over him.

Speaker 2: 13:21

Right right Verse eight by day. The Lord directs his love At night. His song is with me, a prayer to the God of my life. Such a beautiful verse. I love it. I love it. It's so personal, it's so kind. Directs his love at night. His song is with me, a prayer to the God of my life. I just it's beautiful, I love it. It's just a. It's a verse about our relationship with him and how he sees us and cares for us so deeply.

Speaker 1: 14:00

Well, and have you ever gotten a song stuck in your head that when you wake up during the night, it's there when you wake up again?

Speaker 2: 14:07

during the night it's still there.

Speaker 1: 14:10

Yes, the season where I was fancy that it kind of miffed at God and I didn't want to talk to him. I was so frustrated with something in my life that he had allowed and I had a song just a tiny part of it because I didn't know. The song going through my head for days, for days and I really believe that it was his song was placed inside of me to be a prayer when I wouldn't pray and the song, the line of the song was I need thee. Oh, I need thee. Every hour, I need thee. Yes, I mean, can you imagine when you do not want to pray because you're mad at God and you've got a song stuck in your head that is, it's a prayer. I mean, it is a prayer to the God of my life and he does that sometimes for us. You know. I just want to encourage anybody who's listening. If you have a song that's stuck in your head especially if it's a Christian song probably not so much if it's not you know, invite God to show you is this a song that you put in my heart as a prayer to you, and see what you discover there.

Speaker 1: 15:19

So verse nine again, the psalmist is so honest, I say to God my rock, there is the truth there. This is who God is. He is my rock. Yes, I say to God my rock, there is the truth there, this is who God is. He is my rock. Yes, I say to God, my rock, why have you forgotten me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy? And we have a beautiful blend of what is true about God that God is the rock, blended with how the psalmist is feeling. And we don't have to hide how we feel with God.

Speaker 2: 15:51

Well, you said just a minute ago you talked about being mad at God. I mean, is it okay to be mad at God? He can take it, okay. I mean, is that okay, can he take it? How many of us feel like, well, that's not okay. I mean, he's good. He's good all the time and you know, whatever he says goes and this kind of thing.

Speaker 2: 16:15

But I think it's really important. It's so important for me to be able to say this is how I'm feeling right now. I'm just totally maxed out, like I can't believe you allowed this, lord. Why didn't you protect me from this or my loved one or whatever, and why did you take this person so early, or whatever it is. I feel like it's so important that I'm able to be honest with him.

Speaker 2: 16:40

But what I love about this verse, too, is that he calls him God my rock, and so he addresses him that way. He says I'm mad at you, but I know who you are and I'm still in awe of you. You're still my rock, you are my security. I mean, that's what he means when he says rock. You know we cling to something that's solid, like if we're, you know, in the ocean, in the water, we cling to a rock because that's our place of safety. And so he's saying, okay, you are my place of safety. You are, but why have you forgotten me? So that just really really touches my heart and reminds me okay, it's in the word of God, it's in there, so it's, it is okay, it's more than okay, in fact. It's vital, I think, for our relationship with the Lord to be able to share with him exactly how we're feeling and let those tears fall. I think it's so important.

Speaker 1: 17:39

It is, and you know, it's so interesting to me that God doesn't rebuke him, and at least this scripture. We don't see any evidence of that.

Speaker 1: 17:47

Even though scripture says in Isaiah 49, 15, can a woman forget her nursing child that she should have no compassion on the son of her womb? The implied answer is no, and he says. God says even these may forget, yet I will not forget you. So what is true is God doesn't forget, but David expresses this as a feeling that God, you have forgotten me. God doesn't slap him upside the head and said don't you know that Isaiah 49, 15 says I don't forget you. Instead, he's there for him. He lets him speak his heart, and I love that about our God. He can take it.

Speaker 2: 18:33

He can take it definitely.

Speaker 1: 18:35

Verse 10, my bones suffer mortal agony as my foes taunt me, saying to me all day long where is your God? And this fascinates me because in verse 11, he goes on right away and he answers why, my soul, are you downcast? Well, how about all of these things? Sounds like a good reason why so disturbed within me. He says put your hope not in all of the things going away and the circumstances changing. Put your hope in God. And he says, for I will yet praise him, my savior and my God. So I find Psalm 42, just a beautiful example of the psalmist renewing his mind when he is in a real difficult place.

Speaker 2: 19:19

Well, and I love that it ends this way, because it's the same thing again, it's repetition, and that's so much what we do when we renew our minds. We are telling ourselves again and again. It's not just well, I studied this, you know, last week, so I'm good. I mean, we are constantly telling ourselves what is true, again and again, as we renew our minds throughout the day, and that's the only thing I feel like that has really made a difference in terms of the sorrow, the strongholds, those really tough things in life. I need to hear it again and again and again my Savior and my God, put your hope in God. I will yet praise him. I'm going to tell him how I feel, absolutely, but I will praise him again and again and I will remember who he is and what he has done for me.

Speaker 1: 20:18

I love that Psalm 43 is likely written about the same time by David as well. That's possibly true. The psalmist is describing facing oppression and unjust treatment, of course, from enemies who want to hurt or kill him. So it kind of goes on. There may have been false accusations and slander and he may have felt like people were discrediting his character.

Speaker 1: 20:40

And so he starts off. There's only five verses in this psalm, so we'll go ahead and start at the beginning. Vindicate me, my God, and plead my cause against an unfaithful nation. Rescue me from those who are deceitful and wicked. I love that he refers to God as my God and that, to me, is thinking God's thoughts about who God is. He's my God, he pleads my cause, he rescues me. So these are things that the psalmist speaks about God, that he can't turn to him in this moment when he's feeling assaulted by other people, those who are deceitful and wicked.

Speaker 2: 21:20

Well, and you just think about things in your life you know that you're struggling with. Think about things that bring you down, things that cause struggling with. Think about things that bring you down, things that cause you pain and sorrow, things that cause you to be, you know, angry or to feel misrepresented, misunderstood. And then I love this part where he says rescue me, rescue me, god is our rescuer. I love that. God is our rescuer, my God rescues me. And so again he's telling himself his own soul well, who is God? What does he do? He rescues me, and I love. I don't remember where it is in the word, but where it says I am yours and you are mine. About the Lord, I love. That's one of my favorite verses.

Speaker 1: 22:09

Song of Solomon 6.3. I am my beloved's and my beloved is mine.

Speaker 2: 22:14

Yes, I mean that's you know, when he calls God my God, I mean that's so beautiful, so so sweet and personal, and then just that idea of God is my rescuer.

Speaker 2: 22:28

He will be faithful, he will rescue me. So, and then we go on to the next verse, which is more about that you are, god, my stronghold. He's saying. This is who God is. This is who I believe you to be, before he tells him how he's feeling, like as if this isn't going to change. You know, I know you're my rock, I know you're solid, I know you're my rescuer. But let me tell you how I'm feeling. And stronghold, you know, is a word that we often use to describe something that has a hold of us, something that we keep going to, that we don't want to go to, something that's bringing us down, that's destructive in our lives. So I love imagining God being my stronghold. I imagine his arms around me and that he has a strong hold on me, and I love that. I love that image. I think about that often. Then he goes on to talk about how he's feeling. Why have you rejected me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy? So again, he's saying the same things, again and again.

Speaker 1: 23:41

And I love that. He's asking God questions. He's asking. He says you are God, my stronghold. And then this is how I feel so why, lord? Now I've heard a pastor say before God may not give us answers to our why questions, but he promises that's himself. And that's exactly what the psalmist is experiencing he is intimate with God. He's asking him the questions that perplex him. I love verse three send me your light and your faithful care, let them lead me, let them bring me to your holy mountain, to the place where you dwell. So this is a great verse to pull attributes of God for our God list so that we can use at the praise fest and the psalmist is basically praise festing. You are light, you have light and you are faithful and you care for me faithfully. You lead me and I need your leadership. I want to be where you are. You are holy and you welcome me to be where you are. I love that. Verse three is a really beautiful truth. Many of them truths about who God is and what he's like.

Speaker 2: 24:53

Yay, I know, I love it too. And then he says then I will, so again, I will. You know, which is one of our mind renewal tools? I will go to the altar of God, to God, my joy and my delight, I will praise you with a lyre. Oh God, my God. And that's an instrument, of course, kind of like a little guitar, isn't it?

Speaker 1: 25:18

It's a stringed instrument. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:20

So I mean again he's saying I will go to you. You know, he says send me your light and your faithful care, Lead me, you know, bring me to your holy mountain. To will go to you. You know, he says send me your light and your faithful care, lead me, you know, bring me to your holy mountain, to the place where you dwell, and then I will go. I will go to the altar of God, I will go where you are and you will be my joy and my delight and I will praise you with music. Oh God, my God. Again he says my God. So he's renewing his mind again and again about who he is, about who God is, about what God does and about his awe of God, even in the midst of telling him exactly how he's feeling.

Speaker 1: 26:04

And I love how he ends it, similar to Psalm 42, why, my soul, are you downcast? Why so disturbed within me? Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise him, my savior and my God. I love these two Psalms. They're in some manuscripts, they're put together as one Psalm, which is fascinating to me, but regardless they have definitely have a similar flavor. We see the psalmist use I will. We see the psalmist remind his own soul of the attributes of God and how God is intimate with him and cares for him and leads him and wants him. That's a beautiful, beautiful example of that. We're going to turn to one more example, great Before we wrap up.

Speaker 1: 26:51

In the book of Lamentations, jeremiah has described in the whole entire book leading up to chapter three, which is where we're going to land. For a minute, jeremiah describes the suffering of Judah because God gave them over to Babylon After all the many years of idolatry. He said fine, you want idolatry, I'm going to give you over to Babylon where you can have idolatry to your heart's content. And Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonian army. Of course, when that happens, there's going to be suffering, death, loss, devastation of all kinds, and this, of course, jeremiah was smack in the middle of it and he was in lamentations. He expresses his profound grief and his sorrow through lamentation and mourning, and again it gives us an example of how God wants us to pour out our hearts to him. I love that. Yes, so we're just going to pick up in verse 19. I'm going to read some of this to you all and then we'll make some comments on it along the way. Some of this to you all, and then we'll make some comments on it along the way.

Speaker 1: 27:57

Jeremiah is saying, as he has just continued for quite some time, describing what he is seeing in the suffering of people. He says I remember my affliction and my wandering, the bitterness and the gall. I will remember them, and my soul is downcast within me. And here you see another example of a soul being downcast, like we saw with the psalmist. And then here's where it shifts, and this is what we want to encourage all of us to do.

Speaker 1: 28:22

When we have circumstances that are beyond our ability to navigate, with a smile on our faces, maybe it's time to call to mind some things that are worthy of our heart's delight. Yes, and so Jeremiah here says in verse 21,. Yet this I call to mind and therefore I have hope, and this is what he calls to mind, because of the Lord's great love. We are not consumed, compassions never fail, and we are probably all familiar with the wonderful hymn Great is Thy Faithfulness, and that comes up in verse 23,. That has come out of this passage, this very passage where Great is Thy Faithfulness, morning by morning, new mercies I see comes straight out of Jeremiah's lamentations, out of his grief over the fall of Jerusalem, the starvation of his people and all of the suffering that was everywhere around him. I love that.

Speaker 2: 29:26

Great is thy faithfulness. That is one of my go-tos for mind renewal. If there's people around I'm humming it. It doesn't have to be. I don't even have to say the words. I know the words in my mind. But when I feel like I am unsettled that that you know beautiful song that's one of my go-tos in my mind is to sing that. Yeah, how amazing, how amazing that his compassions never fail. How amazing that is. He never, ever fails. I mean, have you ever heard?

Speaker 2: 30:01

We hear people use the word consume also often, you know, I'm consumed by my life situation. I'm consumed by the sorrow, I'm consumed by hopelessness. But he says because of the Lord's great love. So there's a reason because of his great love we are not consumed, for his compassions never fail. They are new every morning. Great is your faithfulness. That's the truth. That's the truth. Maybe it doesn't feel like that, maybe it feels like everything's crashing down on you at once, but that is the truth and we can stand on it and we can tell our own souls this truth again and again, thinking God's thoughts after him, and it will turn our hearts toward the Lord and it will lift our spirits in a way that nothing on this earth can, and it will lift our spirits in a way that nothing on this earth can, no counterfeit can. It will fill us in a way that nothing else can. So then we go on and it says, I say to myself so again, he's speaking to himself, he's speaking the truth to himself. The Lord is my portion. Therefore I will wait for him. When I think of portion, I think of just the right amount. That's the portion. God is just right for me. He's just right. He knows exactly what I need. He is just right for me. So I will wait for him. And there's another I will statement I will wait for him. The Lord is good to those whose hope is in him, to the one who seeks him. So again, god is good. We're talking about who God is, where our hope is and what's my job to seek him, to go to him, to be with him.

Speaker 2: 31:49

It is good to wait quietly for the salvation of the Lord. Yeah, I mean waiting. Oh, I don't like to wait, I don't like to be quiet. I don't like to wait or be quiet. The Lord says to me Christina, it is good for you to wait on me. I know it's hard to wait. I know it's hard to wait, but I will give you the peace you need. I am your rescuer, I am your salvation, I am your portion, I am good, I am your hope. This all comes from this one passage. What a beautiful example, again, of mind renewal. It's right here for us to see.

Speaker 1: 32:30

One of the things I love is I don't have to feel like those things are true in order to speak them to my soul. My soul may be downcast, my soul, I may feel like I can't do life anymore, and yet what I know is true about God and what he says about me. I know those things are true because God says they are true in his word. So I am speaking truth to my soul. And what happens when I do that?

Speaker 1: 32:59

Of course, this is the blessing of mind renewal, one of many is that I will start to believe it. So if I think it, if I speak it out loud, if I say it to God and to my own soul, at some point in time there's going to be a beautiful shift and I'm going to believe that God really is my stronghold, that he is leading me with his light, that he is directing my path, all the things that the psalmist said and that Jeremiah said, that his faithfulness is great and his mercies are new every day. I just love that. That's what Mind Renewal does. It takes me from that place of despondency, maybe even despair, and flips it around. If I will, with an act of my will, speak what God says is true. I will experience a shift, a cataclysmic shift, in how I feel and what I believe and what I'm thinking on. So that's the beauty, and I love that God gives us examples of that in his word.

Speaker 2: 33:58

We were reminded the other day and of course this is something that we've been sharing for years but someone mentioned in one of our classes the other day what a difference it has made for them to get into an intentional practice of renewing her mind. She was talking about renewing her mind every day so that when something like this hits, when you are feeling in despair, when you feel like you're going to be consumed by your own emotions, your own circumstances, your mind is already renewed. Your heart is already full. Your soul has already been spoken to again and again and again about the truth of who God is and about the truth of what he does, Absolutely that he does Not, that there's a question. We know it for sure, as you said, Heidi, because it's in his word, and so how valuable that is to you know.

Speaker 2: 34:54

Set your reminders and renew your mind three, four, five times a day. It'll take a minute, you know, or a little bit more maybe, but then when that unexpected phone call comes, that bad news or that injury happens out of the blue, or whatever it is, your mind will already be renewed and you'll be able to say you are my God, you are my rock, you are my rescuer, and you'll be able to approach that challenge knowing those truths in your heart, your mind, your soul, and that will make all the difference to the way that you are able to respond to that. So we hope there's something that was shared today here that touched your heart and encouraged you in some way, and we would love to invite you to join us to our next podcast episode of Revelation Within.

Speaker 1: 35:59

On the show episode of Revelation Within. We'll see you next time. Bye for now.