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Hi and welcome to our podcast Revelation Within On the Go. I'm Heidi Bilesma-Epperson, one of your hosts and the owner and lead coach of the RevelationWithinorg ministry.

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And I'm Christina Motley, your other host, also a Revelation Within coach and Heidi's partner in all things Revelation Within, and we are so happy to invite you to join us for this episode of Revelation Within.

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On the go. Yay. This is the first of four kind of deep dive episodes drawn from the material of our newest class. It hasn't even started yet. It's going to be a couple months yet and it's called From Shame to Shalom Seeing Yourself Through God's Eyes.

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Oh, that sounds wonderful. I mean shame and shalom. Those are so opposite, aren't they? Yeah?

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they really are.

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They're like totally, totally opposite. And is there one of us out there who hasn't dealt with shame.

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We all have.

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We all have. So what an important topic, okay. So if you've ever felt like you know shame it kind of whispers in our ears, if you've ever felt like that or screaming in the mirror, sometimes you know it's like, ah, there it is. You are not alone and this episode is for you and me and Heidi too. So let's go there for a little bit here. Let's uncover where shame begins and let's look at how Jesus speaks into it and what it means to actually begin the journey back to Shalom.

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Let's get back to Shalom. I love that idea. I love.

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I'm thinking about inviting Jesus into this.

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Yes, let's do that right now. Okay, oh Lord God, would you please meet us right here. We just lean into you right now. We want to meet you gently, deeply, unmistakably. Lord God, would you expose shame in us, where it exists, not to humiliate us, but to heal us. We long to see ourselves as you do. Yes, thank you, lord, in your name, amen, amen. Thank you, heidi, sure. Well, let's go back to the garden. When God created everything, the moment, shame entered our human story, if you will, and the Bible suggests, if we look at Genesis 3, verse 8, that God, adam and Eve, they kind of hung out together, it says in that verse. Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord, god, as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day. I love that. This verse kind of implies that God's presence in the garden was familiar to Adam and Eve.

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And he may have regularly walked and conversed with them, walked and talked, and all that good stuff I love that the fact that they recognized the sound of him walking kind of indicates that there was a relationship going on there and interaction, and it conveys a sense of closeness too and maybe even direct interaction between them. But the last part of that verse Genesis 3, 8, said how they responded this time after they had eaten the fruit of the tree that they weren't supposed to eat from. And it says in the last part of Genesis 3, verse 8, they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. Oh dear, why do you think they did that? We can read it in Genesis 3.10. Adam tells us why he was hiding I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid. And that's what shame does. It causes us to hide. It tells us that something about us is not just wrong, it's unacceptable, it's rejection worthy.

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So true, so true. So shame distorts what God designed. It distorts, I mean, you know how, when you look in a weird funny house mirror, that's what I think of when I think of of shame and the distortion you know. You look in that mirror and then there's there's many mirrors like in fun houses and it's like this isn't fun. I've never liked those mirrors by the way you look at those and it's just kind of freaky what it does to your body and it distorts what is real. And so shame does that kind of like one of those mirrors.

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It distorts what God designed and the enemy has been using it ever since you know, ever since that story that you just told, with Adam and Eve, especially around our bodies, our eating, our mistakes, so. But God doesn't retreat from Adam and Eve. He doesn't say, okay, well, I've got other things to do. He doesn't do that. What does he do? He pursues them. He goes after them with love and he asks them a question. He says where are you? Even though he knows exactly where they are, but it's like a way to reach out, it's like an invitation to interact with him again.

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I love that.

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So Hebrews 12, 2 says for the joy set before him, he endured the cross, scorning its shame. Jesus didn't just carry our sin, he carried our shame. Have you ever thought about that? That makes it even more meaningful to me what he did on the cross. Imagine our shame all over his shoulders, like all over his body, like weighing him down.

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He actually carried our shame. He stripped shame of its authority. Wow, stripped shame, I mean, that's profound, that is amazing. You know those, those of you who are listening, think about what it is that's causing you shame right now. Christ carried that shame on the cross and he took away completely its authority.

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Wow, oh goodness, and shame. You know, it's interesting when we think about shame. What is the opposite of shame? It's not good self image, it's the peace that surpasses all, understanding that shalom, yes, and what's true is, shalom is also not just the absence of conflict, it's the presence of wholeness. And again, the opposite of shame is not self-esteem, positive self-esteem. I have a great self-image.

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It's shalom. Isaiah 26, verse 3, one of our favorite verses. Yes, I love it. I love it so much. It says you, God will keep in perfect peace, shalom shalom. The words translated. Perfect peace is like a double shalom. Shalom shalom. That's the words translated. Perfect peace is like a double shalom. Shalom shalom, perfect peace. Yeah, we will keep in perfect peace those whose minds are steadfast because they trust in you.

Speaker 2: 7:59

Yeah, that's beautiful. I just oh that verse and I love to personalize that verse. I've been doing this a lot lately, lately, with this verse Lord, you will keep me in perfect peace, shalom, Shalom. Um as my mind is steadfast because I trust you. I love that. You, I love that. Okay, so, and here's something. You'll hear us say a lot you are not.

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What shame says you are who.

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God says. I'm just going to say that again. You are not what shame says. You are who God says. And we also say this a lot Shame is not from God, shame is not from God. Say this a lot, shame is not from God. Shame is not from God. It's not. I think a lot of us grow up, you know, maybe grow up in a Christian church and learn about the Bible and somehow we feel like shame is from God, like we're supposed to feel that shame all the time about not measuring up Absolutely?

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not Absolutely not. That is not who God is, that is not what the Bible says, and so if that's something that resonates with you.

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Just hear this you are not what shame says, you are who God says. So I can think of an example of this in my own life. Just came to my mind right now, which often happens when Heidi and I are doing a podcast she was constantly extremely negative about her own body, extremely, like every single day. She would put an outfit on, she would come out. She would, you know, want us all to look at it and tell her what was good or bad. And my dad? He had to be so careful what he said, and so he would say things like you look sporty.

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Oh dear.

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I know and now I understand, because he knew that almost every answer was wrong.

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He had to come up with a word that was just totally. Or the other one he would say is well, that's a very interesting outfit. Now I can look back and see he was just trying to keep the peace. But my mom? She talked a lot about her legs and so in in her family history she has all these amazing stories. And so in her family history she has all these amazing stories, but one of them is that her dad married and the woman he married got very sick early on into the marriage and died, and of course at that time it was very, very common to then have the husband marry the sister of the one who died. That was very common. They had a little four-year-old together. It was not my mom. My mom came later and so my mom had a sister and they each had a different mother.

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Okay, got it, okay, right, so one of the moms was very slender and kind of slight and tall and a completely different body shape than the other sister. The other sister was more curvy and had maybe more of your stereotypical kind of, you know, european kind of bigger arms and legs and bigger bones and that kind of thing. And so you had these two sisters that came from two sisters, my mom. That was just really really a source of shame for my mom. My mom wanted to look like her sister her entire life and felt like she was inadequate, she didn't look right, she didn't look good, she didn't look like you know what the world says you should look like, but she was gorgeous, she was beautiful.

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Actually both sisters were very beautiful. But my mom carried around this shame about her legs and then later in life she had trouble, physical problems with her legs that had to do with veins and circulation, and so she always had this very negative, very, very negative way of talking about her legs. So then what would happen? I know she didn't mean this in a bad way, I know she didn't, but she would say to me I'm so sorry you got my legs, oh dear, yeah, I'm so sorry you got my legs, oh dear, yeah. And and that was so hard for me to hear, because obviously I mean I'd listened her whole life that somehow these legs were shameful like this isn't the way you should look, and what do you do about that?

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I mean, there's there's not really something you can do, it's just the way that we're built and it's actually good and beautiful. And so, anyway, I remember as a teenager, especially at into my twenties, thinking, oh my gosh, I have my mom's legs, I'm curvy like she is, and that's that's negative, that's bad, like I have shame about that. Um, and so fast forward to now, and I'm getting ready to go on this trip and I'm going to go and visit the daughter, so my cousin, the daughter of the other sister, oh, the, the, the tall, thin, one.

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Yes, she's not that tall, but she's definitely thin Anyway, and I love her very much. I've spent time with her, I think, three times in my life and I'm very excited to go see her. But she represents her body type, represents that other shape. And what I love about this, what God has shown me when I have invited him into this he and I talked about it the other day is that this cousin of mine adored my mom. She adored my mom, she loved her. She was one of her most special relationships in her life. That's cool.

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And so this is what I'm thinking as I get ready to go there. I'm thinking I'm going to be like a reminder. My being there will remind her of my mom, because I have her same body type. I'm curvy like her, I have a lot of her attributes and that's very beautiful and sweet and that takes away and, you know, pushes away, really negates that old shame that my mom carried around. So I just love the way God showed that to me and I've had to think of it often.

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I've had to renew my mind often as I'm packing and planning what to bring, what to wear, and just to be reminded of that that that's a beautiful truth from the Lord. So as I'm packing, as I'm getting ready to go on this trip really something very special that we haven't done in 20 some years go over and see our family in Europe. 20 some years, go over and see our family in Europe I'm thinking of Isaiah 26, 3, and I'm thinking that I have a choice to receive that perfect peace. I get to choose it. I don't have to walk around in my mom's old shame, or my old shame.

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I don't have to walk around in that, not for a minute. I get to enjoy God's peace. The only way I can do that, though, is if my mind is fixed on his thoughts, if my mind is steadfast, if I'm trusting him. That's where that shalom shalom will be for me whenever I need it. I can think of it as many times as I want, and so I just love that assurance. That just makes my heart so happy.

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Yay, ah, that's a beautiful story and I'm so glad that you have that in the Lord for sure. So we have talked so far about shame and how it whispers. Lies about who we are, and lies that often start way before we even realize it. Yes, but one of the most immediate and painful places that shame likes to show up it's not always in our words or even in our actions. It's a glance, it's a reflection, yes, a moment in a mirror.

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Oh, dear, you're so right about that.

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Yeah, the mirror has been a battleground for so many of us. We look in it and we hear, as though somebody's standing right there saying you'll never measure up. Yeah, you're disgusting. Oh, or just look at those legs, maybe I mean whatever. You know thing. Or just look at those legs. Maybe If people only knew what you really looked like underneath your clothes, that'd be awful. And sometimes we've even used the mirror as a place of punishment for ourselves or we've avoided it altogether. But here's a new thought, are you?

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ready yes, ready for the new thought.

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Yes, what if the mirror could become a sacred space? What if it's where we remind our hearts of God's thoughts of the truth, not in a like performative fake it till you make it sort of way, but in a whispered, trembling. Jesus, help me believe what you say, Wow.

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Wouldn't that be amazing. That's a really really big, really big. What if I know that I'm thinking? People listening are like no, how could that even be? But why not? God can do anything.

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Yeah, he can.

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God can do anything. He can, god can do anything. And yeah, I love this idea, I love this thought and it's true. You know if we're telling ourself the truth from God's point of view, we will eventually believe it. Yeah, it's such a wonderful way to live.

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Oh yeah, so we are going to ask you all to consider some journaling questions and you can pause the podcast, whatever you need to do. But these are specifically intended to help you process what is true and kind of jettison out that like kick out of the car or whatever thoughts, the thoughts of shame that are lies. They don't tell us the truth. So, christina, tell us about the questions.

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Okay, so here comes the first one what do I hear when I look in the mirror? So we might as well call out the lies first, because that's going to help us the most you know. Rather than I'm never going to say them again, let's call them out one more time. Say what they are. What do I hear, you know, in my mind and my thoughts when I look in the mirror?

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Let's think on that for just a moment. Okay, so, listener, just consider is there a specific statement? Go ahead and ask the next question, okay, and then we want to ask this question.

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This is important too. Whose voice are you hearing? Is it yours? Is it your mom's? Is it your cousin's? Is it that friend on the playground when you were in fifth grade? You know, is it your husband? Could be any number of people. Certainly it's the enemy. Whose voice is that?

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Let's call it out, yeah and just. I would like to urge all of us to back up for just a minute and invite God into this process, because you know, there's a lot of things we don't recall or we don't when we're asked questions like these. We may not even remember what are the words that I hear when I look in the mirror. God can remind us. I mean that's you know. It says in Jeremiah 33, three, call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know. And so, inviting him to tell us. Ok, what is it that I hear when I look in the mirror? Whose voice is that? And I mean, he will pinpoint it and it's not to blame. It's not to say, yeah, they're just, you know, really rotten people or whatever. It's not for that. No, no're just, you know really rotten people or whatever. It's not for that.

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No, no, no, but it's well, we can forgive them, certainly, but you know, inviting God to show us who and what should I do with it next, Okay, the third question is very, very important, like don't skip this one, because this is the one that will move you forward and get you going on a journey towards freedom and peace. What do I long to hear instead? What do I long to hear instead?

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And I would like maybe even ask God Lord what are your thoughts instead?

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Yeah, what are your thoughts?

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Because I think that's what my heart really longs to hear, maybe even ask God, lord, what are your thoughts instead, yeah, what are your thoughts? Because I think that's what my heart really longs to hear. I long to hear what God has to say, because I know he sees perfectly. He sees perfectly.

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And maybe we should throw a few of those out there, Heidi, and just kind of give some examples of that. I mean, I love to hear from God. Christina, you are accepted as it is. You are beautiful.

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You're my beloved.

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You are radiant in my sight.

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Yes, I treasure you just as you are. Yes.

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You are washed clean.

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You are washed clean. You are beautiful beyond measure.

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I couldn't love you more. Don't change a thing.

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Yeah, there's nothing you can do to cause me to love you less.

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There is nothing that will separate you from my love. I created you.

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You're my masterpiece. You're my poetry in motion. We really want to offer God the opportunity to restore the mirror to a place of shalom for ourselves, instead of shame.

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So and I think we've talked about this before too in different podcasts but actually practicing having a list of those things ready, like what Heidi and I just shared, or other things that you might come up with from the word or that the Holy Spirit gives you, and be ready and then go downtown for a walk, you know, with all those reflections or wherever Go somewhere where you're going to see reflections and just practice and see yourself and look and say I am God's girl, I am radiant and redeemed.

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I am God's masterpiece. And then walk to the next storefront more reflections. Say it again and again, and, of course, in your own mirrors at home. But I know for me, I've had to be very, very intentional about this. It doesn't just come. No, I have been telling myself the opposite for my entire life this exercise.

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You can navigate your way to this URL and it's teamlifeisgoodcom. So all one word teamlifeisgoodcom forward slash identity and that will bring you to a download. It'll just automatically download. It won't ask you for an email address or anything of a whole bunch of verses and references to who I am in Christ, and you can use that list to proclaim the truth of who you are in scripture and it's a great way to defeat shame and to kind of immerse yourself in shalom.

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Yeah, it's powerful. That's an amazing list. Yeah, definitely check that out. So we have a beautiful breath prayer for you that we'd love to share, something that you can take with you. You can do this with us now and then again later in the day, later in the week. So we're going to inhale and say you see me, and then we're going to exhale and say, and you love me completely. Okay, let's go ahead and take a nice deep breath and say you see me, you see me Breathe out and you love me completely. And you love me completely. Let's do it again Breathe in, you see me, you see me Breathe out and you love me completely.

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And you love me completely.

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Okay, one more breath prayer. Here's another one. You might like this one even better, use them both, or pick one, whatever you like. This one is we're going to inhale and say you name me. And then we're going to exhale and say not shame me, okay, okay. So think about those new names, the new names that God has for you. So let's take a deep breath and say you name me, name me, breathe out.

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Not shame me. Not shame me. All right, beautiful, one more time, take a deep breath. You name me and breathe out. Not shame me. Yay, awesome, awesome.

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All right. So the bottom line is we want to shift from shame to shalom, and so how can we do that? Well, it's not going to be instant, really. No, I'm sorry if that's a spoiler, but it's not instant. Romans 12, two of course, we love quoting this verse a lot and living by this verse too. Be transformed by the renewing of your mind. So this is kind of interesting. The word renewing can mean a daily, ongoing process, process. It's not about perfection, it's about practice.

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It's about, like Christina was saying, practicing going downtown and looking in those reflections.

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Go, practice Exactly.

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So one of the best places to start with mind renewal is the God List and Praise Fest, and if you've been a listener of our podcast for any length of time, you've probably heard these. If you've been in our classes, these are two of our favorite Mind Renewal tools. Yes, these can really help us be anchored in truth, especially over time we use them, the more likely we are to think the things that God thinks about who he is and what he does for people. So let's go ahead and talk about that for a minute. Christina, what is the God list?

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Yes, and I love, love, love talking about this, because it's been so such a game changer in my own life and my own journey. Heidi, this came from you and I appreciate so much that you put this together. So, god list I mean, it's so simple, god list, but it's just simple, but it's profound. So, basically, making a list of God's attributes, asking who is God and what does he do for people and what does he want me to believe about himself, and so starting a list of words and phrases, and for me, I just love my list to be ongoing. I have several different lists going.

Speaker 2: 28:33

Of course, the word of God is your primary source and if you need a place to start, psalms is a great place to start the Psalms. Just go through Psalm by Psalm and find those attributes. They're all over the place, also in the rest of the word, of course, but you can also find them in hymns, sermons, devotions, your grandma, possibly you can ask your kids. Anyway, there are so many places. As long as those attributes line up with what it says in the word of God, you can put it on your list and then you have this amazing resource to go to. The world says this and somebody else says this, but you have your God list and you know who God is. From your, your own research, you know, and from the word of God.

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Oh, can I, can I? Can I give examples real quick? Yes, yes, okay, this is one of my older God lists. It's from 2017. And this is from Psalm 103. God's name is holy. He forgives my sin, he heals my diseases, he redeems my life from the pit. He crowns me with steadfast love and mercy, he satisfies me with good things, he renews my youth. Like the eagles, he works righteousness and justice for all who are oppressed. He's merciful, he's gracious, he's slow to anger, he abounds in steadfast love, et cetera, et cetera. I could go on. That's not the first half of that song.

Speaker 2: 30:09

Oh, I just don't even want you to stop, heidi. I know it sounds so good, it's so encouraging, it's such an assurance and then, if you need somewhere to begin that feels a little more simple, you can just use one word God, you are my hope. God, you are gracious, you are merciful, you are my strength.

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Steadfast compassionate.

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Yes, yes, we've got all kind you are kind, just that you know you are kind, you are for me, you are here. How about that one? You are here. How about that one? You are here.

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It doesn't have.

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There's nothing complicated about this, but it is so helpful to then use these words. So then what happens is you can use these words to actually praise God, to just praise him for who he is, which is something that we don't. Most of us don't do very often. We, we thank him, we're like, oh, thank you, god, I got the first parking spot. Wow, and we, you know, we say things, but then do we, do we really praise him each day for who he is? Most of us don't. I mean, I didn't for all the years that I was, you know, a Christian and had not learned how to renew my mind. This is a way to soften your heart toward the Lord, and my favorite times to do this is when I don't want to, when I am feeling disappointed or grumpy or out of control, or sorrow, full of sorrow, or scared. Those are the best times. There's many others that you could put in that list, because it reminds us oh yeah, god is amazing, he's God, he's bigger than anything that's going on in my life.

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He's bigger. He made the mountains. He moves the mountains. He's my mountain mover.

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Right, Right. I'm just going to use some of the my God list from 2017 to do a quick praise fest, then you can join me. Um, we won't do too long, because we've got more more for you before we wrap up this episode. God, you are my refuge, you are righteous, you're my deliverer.

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God, you are my way maker when there seems to be no way.

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You are my rescuer.

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God, you are the one who pursues my kids.

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You are my rock of refuge and my rock jetty too.

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You are the one who constantly shows me mercy and forgiveness.

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You are my redeemer.

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You are my strong tower, you are my hiding place.

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My faithful God.

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You are the lover of my soul.

Speaker 1: 33:03

You know this is more than journaling. I mean you can put it in a journal or you could do it on the fly, which means you're not writing anything down or reading anything. But this is so much more than just a journaling activity. It's worship it really is. And because of the way you've been wired, it's so cool what this does. When you think God's thoughts about who he is and that's what we've been doing, it rewires your brain and the more you do it, the more set those new neural pathways become and your default will shift more and more to being mindful of God's greatness, his sovereignty, his goodness. It actually doing this creates new neural pathways, which is just a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2: 33:49

Yeah, that's amazing, that's so amazing. But we've seen it in our own lives and we've seen it in hundreds and hundreds of people that have come to revelation within and oh my goodness, it's amazing what can happen.

Speaker 1: 34:04

So let's just be really clear here. Shame is not no, not ever. The voice of God. The Holy Spirit may convict, but he does not. Shame Conviction is specific and it brings with it hope for restoration.

Speaker 1: 34:22

Shame is broad and general and it doesn't usually bring hope with it at all. Shame says you are not enough, but God says you are mine. Shame says try harder. God says come closer. So we have some reflection questions for you, and again you can generally these if you want, or you could just spend some time in prayer with the Lord about them right now. Where do I hear shame the loudest right now? Where do I hear shame the loudest right now? Second one is what truth from God's word can meet me there? What truth from God's word can meet me there? And the third one is what's one lie I can renounce today and one truth I can declare? I like to think of truth as the way I refute the lies, and we all have lies pummeling our brains all the time. So invite God to show you, lord, what is one lie I will renounce today. What do you want me to reject today as a lie and what is a truth I can refute it with?

Speaker 2: 35:41

Yes, oh, that's so so good. Okay, so here's a truth to carry into your week. I am not what shame says, I am who God says.

Speaker 1: 35:56

That's good. And here's a challenge for you Choose one mirror, just one, if you're not going to go downtown and look in the windows. Choose one mirror in your house and instead of avoiding that mirror oh boy, this is tough or critiquing yourself in it, stand in front of it and say I see a person deeply loved by God, just as she is.

Speaker 2: 36:26

Beautiful. Okay, one more breath prayer for you. This one might be your favorite. Maybe you love them all. We're going to breathe in and say Jesus, you restore me. And we're going to breathe out and say from shame to shalom. I think this one is my favorite out of the three today. I just love these. Okay, let's take a deep breath together. Jesus, you restore me. Exhale from shame to shalom, from shame to shalom.

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One more time.

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Take a deep breath in. Jesus, you restore me From shame to shalom.

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To shalom.

Speaker 2: 37:18

Yay, oh, my goodness, that was what I needed today, heidi. Yay, I am going to take all of this back into my day. I know which mirror I'm going to choose. I've got the breath prayers. I've got my God list going. I'm ready.

Speaker 1: 37:33

And identity list who I am in Christ at teamlifeisgoodcom. Forward slash identity.

Speaker 2: 37:39

Yep, yes, yes, yes. So we are so glad you've been here with us today and we very much hope that you will come back and join us for our next episode of Revelation Within.

Speaker 1: 38:00

We'll see you next time. Bye for now.