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The Great Gratitude Reset: Thankful, Not Stressful

Heidi Bylsma-Epperson and Christina Motley Season 2 Episode 34

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In this episode, we dive into what we call The Great Gratitude Reset. We talk about how gratitude isn’t just a nice feeling—it’s a daily practice that changes our minds, our health, and our spiritual outlook. Science is finally confirming what the Bible has been saying all along: gratitude reduces anxiety, strengthens our bodies, helps us rest better, and gives us resilience during tough seasons. We’ve both seen this in our own lives. Christina shares how gratitude keeps her grounded throughout her cancer journey, while Heidi shares how practicing thankfulness sustains her as she walks alongside a close friend in illness. Gratitude has become more than a concept for us—it’s been a lifeline.

We also share some very practical ways to begin, even if gratitude feels out of reach. One of our favorites is the “Lord I love” exercise, which is as simple as naming small things—like trees, a gentle touch, or even probiotic gummies—and letting those small steps open the door to bigger ones. This isn’t about shallow positivity or empty affirmations. It’s about anchoring ourselves in God’s goodness and allowing His perspective to shape ours. Romans 12 reminds us that our minds are renewed in Him, and gratitude is a key part of that renewal. We invite you to try these practices with us and see how even the smallest acts of thankfulness can reset your heart and perspective.

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Speaker 1:

Hi and welcome to our podcast, revelation Within On the Go. I'm Heidi Biles-Mapperson, one of your hosts and the owner and lead coach of the RevelationWithinorg ministry.

Speaker 2:

And I'm Christina Motley, your other host, also a Revelation Within coach and Heidi's partner in all things Revelation Within, and we are so happy to invite you to join us for today's episode of Revelation Within On the Go. Come on in, put your feet up. We are so glad you're here.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, sit right on down, let your hair down, grab a favorite beverage. A favorite beverage.

Speaker 2:

You're sounding more and more Southern every day. What's going on?

Speaker 1:

I couldn't tell you Mind renewal. We love renewing our minds and we love the way God uses it to transform us. Romans 12 is so awesome. It's true, we are transformed as we renew our minds, and so how many tools would you say we have for mind renewal now?

Speaker 2:

You know, we probably have. Well, definitely over a hundred.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, that was a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we have really a lot, and I love that you asked me to look at them the other day, heidi, because there were some that I had to kind of refresh my memory. We got to do some work on those, I think.

Speaker 1:

I think you're right.

Speaker 2:

You know, write them out and get them updated, and and boy, they are so life-giving, so fabulous. I don't want to miss a single one.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely. And this month, the month of August, we are focusing in our RevWithinteam community on gratitude. We pick a theme every month and this month, the month of August, we have picked the great gratitude reset and we're just going to focus on gratitude all month. Now that may sound kind of ho-hum, boring for some people, but I tell you what you have never seen gratitude done Like we do it at Revelation, within we do it so well, don't we?

Speaker 2:

Yes, but I love that title, heidi, because you put reset in the title and I need to reset with gratitude. I am so excited. I know what comes from a regular practice of gratitude.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, me too I know what comes.

Speaker 2:

You know what comes and we love it. It changes your whole life.

Speaker 1:

It does, it really does. Years ago, I got to speak at a retreat about gratitude and I just remember even back then it was like wow, there's so much to it. So we're going to talk about gratitude here today on our podcast and if you're hearing this sometime in August, come on over and dive in. Wherever we are RevWithinteam, we would love to have you, or you can go to revelationwithinorg and see some description there about what we're up to in August or whatever month you're hearing this that is, we always update it.

Speaker 1:

We let everybody know what we're doing in our little private community. And you know the first month is free, so how could you go wrong? If you don't like it at the end of the month you can say it's not a good fit, don't bug me anymore.

Speaker 2:

Unsubscribe A whole month for free to check us out and just kind of look around and see what we're up to Right? I just love it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so. So, by way of review of our entire ministry, christina, how would you describe mind renewal? What is mind renewal?

Speaker 2:

Oh gosh, the renewing of the mind, something that I didn't understand for a really really long time. Most of my adult life I really didn't get it or understand it or know how to practice it, but really all it is is thinking God's thoughts after him. That's what it is and it's like well, how do I know what God is thinking? I don't know. I don't know what he's thinking, but actually we do. We have this big, beautiful love letter called the Bible that God wrote to us, and it is chocked full of thousands of his thoughts.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and that's not all. But he says that those are his own. He gives his Holy Spirit too, so we have the mind of Christ. It says in first Corinthians, 2.16. And so you know what we can know, the thoughts of God. And so really that know what we can know, the thoughts of God. And so really that's what we're doing in the month of August, is we're what are your thoughts about this circumstance or this person? And then we give gratitude because God has ordained that person or that circumstance, or allowed it certainly.

Speaker 2:

Well, and there's one more piece to this that, to me, is so, so, so, so important, and that is that we are free to choose what we think. Yay, we are free to choose. We are free in Christ, we are redeemed. We are free and I say that to myself a lot, especially lately I am free to choose what I think about. I am free, in this very moment, to choose God's thoughts rather than my own thoughts, rather than the enemy's thoughts, rather than the world or the culture's thoughts. I am free to choose.

Speaker 1:

Right. I am free to choose Right. Proverbs 3, verses 5 and 6, tells us that my thoughts and God's thoughts may be a little bit different from one another, and so I want to get in the practice of thinking his thoughts so that I more and more default to those thoughts. So why do we place a premium on mind renewal, at Revelation Within?

Speaker 2:

Because mind renewal changes everything. It changes your moments. It changes your mornings and afternoons. It changes the way you make decisions. It changes the way you respond to life and things that are coming your way. It really changes everything, because your mind is filled with God's thoughts. It changes your whole mindset, your whole outlook. It's pretty amazing.

Speaker 1:

It really is. And you know, proverbs 3, 5, and 6 kind of sets up this, my thoughts and God's thoughts, and how they're different. That's why it tells us, I think, in that passage trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. All your ways acknowledge him and he will make your path straight. Because, left to my own devices, my interpretation is likely to not be entirely accurate. I am more likely to have tantrums and gripe and complain. Right when I practice God's thoughts, my perspective is changed. You know, it doesn't just change my life, which it does, but it changes my now, this minute.

Speaker 2:

You know, that reminds me somebody in my past I don't remember who it was. Somebody told me once Christina, it is easy to throw tantrums, it's easy to gripe, it's easy to complain, it's easy to go down that road, but it is so worth it to go to God and ask him what his viewpoint is. Ask him what his viewpoint is. So I think of that sometimes when I'm in the middle of a kind of a fit tantrum. It's like you know what? This is kind of the easy road. It's our default as humans. We just do it naturally.

Speaker 2:

But to go to God and say what do you think about this? And then intentionally think his thoughts. It takes intention, it takes a little bit of time, but it will change your life.

Speaker 1:

Definitely. And you know, it's kind of obvious that the church, christians, generally encourage people to give gratitude to God and so on. But interestingly enough, it may have taken 2000 years, but finally the secular world is recognizing what God has known all along, what he created us for, and that we are transformed by thinking, his thoughts, the renewing of our minds. So we have a couple of quotes for you from some secular people who are well known in the world. These aren't people who are associated with Christianity at all, I don't know what their beliefs are necessarily, but the first one is by the author of a book called Codependent no More, and it's a very popular book about being freed from codependence by melody beady. She says gratitude unlocks the fullness of life it turns what we have into enough and more.

Speaker 1:

It turns denial into acceptance, chaos to order, to clarity. It can turn a meal into a feast, a house into a home, a stranger into a friend.

Speaker 2:

Wow, that's beautiful.

Speaker 1:

Isn't it?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, definitely so. And then from Dr Robert A Emmons, who is a PhD professor of psychology at the University of California Davis, which is close to Heidi, a leading researcher on gratitude and well-being. When people regularly cultivate gratitude, they experience a multitude of psychological, physical, interpersonal and spiritual benefits. Grateful people experience higher levels of positive emotions, such as joy, enthusiasm, love, happiness and optimism, and gratitude as a discipline protects us from the destructive impulses of envy, resentment, pulses of envy, resentment, greed and bitterness, whoa. People who experience gratitude can cope more effectively with everyday stress, show increased resilience something we are all looking for in the face of trauma-induced stress, recover more quickly from illness and enjoy a more robust physical health as well. Oh, my goodness, gracious.

Speaker 2:

That was a mouthful. How fantastic.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and in our community we are providing free of charge, no additional charge, a digital the great gratitude reset journal and his findings. This Dr Emmons findings also includes gratitude journaling.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

It's linked to 25% greater happiness, more sleep, more exercise compared to those who don't practice it, and that participants keeping gratitude journals or writing gratitude letters reported fewer physical symptoms, lower blood pressure, better immune response and reduced depression. That's amazing.

Speaker 2:

I mean, why do we think it's amazing? It's God's design. Yes, of course he's amazing. A better immune response. Are you kidding me? That's fantastic, isn't it All of this?

Speaker 1:

is such good news. It really is, of course. Christian thinkers, authors, scholars. They have been celebrating the practice of gratitude for some time. Ann Voskamp, who many of us are aware of in the Christian world says gratitude is not only a response to God. In good times, it's the very lens through which we see everything.

Speaker 2:

Yes, so true. And then we have a quote from Dallas Willard Gratitude is not merely about feeling thankful. It is a form of knowledge, a way of being deeply oriented to reality.

Speaker 1:

That's a cool way of looking at it, I love that, and Henry Nowen says gratitude is not a spontaneous response to the worth of something. It is the chosen, like you were saying earlier, christina, the chosen response to awareness of God's presence.

Speaker 2:

Wow, Wow, the chosen response. Wow, that's fantastic.

Speaker 1:

And we can. We can choose what we think about. We can choose our response. What better way to respond than with God's thoughts about things? I mean, why would I want to think my thoughts?

Speaker 2:

Well, and I I want to just throw this in here real quick we're not at all minimizing things that are hard, that you're going through. We're not saying oh, just sweep it all under the rug and put on a smile and pretend you don't feel pain.

Speaker 2:

Or pretend, and just say I'm fine, I'm fine, we don't want to do that at all. No, but we want to be intentional about bringing gratitude into the hard stuff as well as the good stuff. So definitely not minimizing anything that you're going through, because we're going through hard stuff too. Heidi and I and we, we know how important it is to be able to talk about those things and cry and share those things.

Speaker 1:

Right, right. So, no matter what the world or even what Christian scholars say, though, we have the word of God telling us that giving gratitude is a beautiful, wonderful thing. So here are some of those. Gratitude shifts our focus from lack to abundance. An example of where this is taught is Psalm 107, verse 1, which kind of reminds us that gratitude roots us in God's unchanging goodness, especially in those seasons of uncertainty or when we think things are pretty scarce. This is what that verse says. Psalm 107, verse 1 says give thanks to the Lord for he is good and love endures forever.

Speaker 2:

Oh and then? Okay, Is there anyone out there who is not going to need this? Gratitude transforms anxiety into peace. I mean, that is amazing. Do you know anyone right now that isn't having anxious thoughts about something? I mean, really there's a lot of anxiety in this world right now. So Philippians 4, 6 through 7 says Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God, and the peace of God will guard your hearts.

Speaker 1:

And it's not just any peace, it's God's peace and it transcends all understanding.

Speaker 2:

Yes, With something that we don't get, we don't get it and we can't make it either. Thanksgiving is not just tacked on, it's actually central. When paired with prayer, it recalibrates our inner world toward peace. And like Heidi said, that's not something that's conjured up from here, something that we can make up. That's God's peace and there's nothing like it in the world.

Speaker 1:

Right. And yet another reason why we want to practice gratitude is it helps us stay spiritually awake, alert, aware. And Colossians 4.2 says continue steadfastly in prayer, being watchful with thanksgiving. I love that Paul ties gratitude to spiritual awareness. Yes, it's like gratitude is keeping the light on while waiting in the dark.

Speaker 2:

That's profound Keeping the light on while waiting in the dark. I love that, Thank you.

Speaker 1:

Heidi, I love that true gratitude, true God-inspired gratitude. Thinking God's thoughts about circumstances, situations, people, whatever blows the socks off of positive thinking. Positive believism, declarations, affirmations, whatever people out there are saying this is going to make me. You know, I do, too, have a hundred million dollars in my bank account. That's not rooted in truth. Why would I want to positive believe my way and you know it doesn't work that way? No, that's not rooted in truth. Why would I want to positive believe my way and you know it doesn't work that way?

Speaker 2:

No no.

Speaker 1:

Well, and and if all of this doesn't convince you, we have even more, in a nutshell, the benefits of gratitude when we intentionally practice gratitude. Again, some of these are summary statements, some of these are kind of expanding the thought a little bit. Improves our mental health Gratitude has been linked to reducing symptoms of depression and anxiety and promoting a more positive outlook on life. Have you seen that, christina, where when you're practicing gratitude it does, it gives you a better outlook on life, but when you stop for some reason, maybe you never stop. So maybe I should use myself, cause I do.

Speaker 1:

I go in and out of seasons where I'm renewing my mind and actively practicing gratitude or not, and boy, it changes everything. It really does. I get down, I get anxious when I'm not practicing gratitude, yeah, and I know how to change it around. I can just start it again. It doesn't mean that we deny how we're feeling, but we give gratitude in the context of our real lives and we bring it to God with our you know, I mean picture bringing these circumstances that are so difficult to the Lord with hands outstretched. Lord, there's this, and I can't necessarily thank you for this, but I can thank you in this.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

And that's what he calls us to do.

Speaker 2:

So what's another benefit? Okay, here's another one, and I'm really focused on this one right now because of what's happening with my health. Focusing on gratitude enhances physical health. Grateful individuals have shown lower blood pressure, improved immune function and better sleep quality. Oh my goodness, that sounds awesome, just awesome.

Speaker 1:

Yep, yep, yep. Another benefit to practicing gratitude is increased resilience. You know, having a gratitude practice helps me to cope with stress and adversity, and that it does. It fosters greater resilience in challenging times. If something comes up, it's in my face and says boo, I will have a greater ability to deal with it. If I've been practicing gratitude along the way, I think that's just amazing.

Speaker 2:

It is. It is amazing how about this one? Practicing gratitude helps us to have stronger relationships. Expressing gratitude to others can deepen our connections and foster a sense of community, and we all need that. You know we can't walk this road alone. We need that community and to have stronger relationships. Wow, I mean, that's a big one.

Speaker 1:

And it's interesting to me how this isn't just gratitude given to somebody for you know, ministering to you, bringing a meal, or whatever they've done in your life, but it's sharing with them the things that God is doing in your life, that you're giving gratitude to God for. I mean, it's almost like when I share what I am thankful for in my life generally with you, christina, it maximizes the joy I have in that, and I think that's so neat how it almost like it returns tenfold or more or something. Anyway, what's another one?

Speaker 2:

Oh, thanks for saying that, heidi, because you know what you just did. In your gratitude, you boosted my overall happiness, and that's another one. That's another one of the benefits of practicing gratitude Grateful individuals and I am so grateful they tend to experience greater levels of happiness and life satisfaction. What Well? That's amazing. Well, I want that for sure. I mean, we all want greater levels of happiness and satisfaction, wow.

Speaker 1:

Definitely Does anyone listening to this podcast right now other than me. Definitely Does anyone listening to this podcast right now other than me.

Speaker 2:

Need a month of gratitude.

Speaker 1:

Yes, I do, pick me, pick me, pick me, oh my goodness. So we want to hear from you if you want to share, because we're excited to witness any growth and joy that unfolds this month for you. And you can start anytime, even if you're listening to this, on the 28th of August or the 5th of December, start now, right, right, you know, it is a gift that God has given us that we are wired in such a way biologically, physiologically, that our bodies respond really well to the practice of gratitude.

Speaker 1:

And we can support and encourage each other along the way. We can share gratitude with one another not just for one another, but to one another for the way God is at work, and thank him. And it's minor null, so we know that we're going to be transformed.

Speaker 2:

Right, exactly, and we all you know I was just thinking about this while you were talking, heidi we all know someone where this kind of comes naturally to them and and you want to talk to them, you're drawn to that person. It's like, oh, you feel, after you hang up the phone, you feel uplifted, you feel encouraged. Be that person, be that person who's?

Speaker 2:

practicing gratitude. Be that person for yourself and for your family, and for your friends and loved ones. Be that person for the person that you have to interact with that is difficult to interact with. This is what God is calling us to, and you will love it the more and more that you do it.

Speaker 1:

As we kind of are wrapping up, maybe we could both think of examples where circumstances that are difficult are kind of flipped around a little bit. I've been having a really hard time with Christina's cancer diagnosis really hard time and so God and I spent a little bit of time today, since it's the first of August when we're recording this and this first day of our gratitude challenge. But again, you can start whenever you want.

Speaker 1:

So, I spent some time talking with him about what I'm grateful for and, wow, let me just say that was a wonderful thing for me to do. It doesn't minimize how heart wrenching it is to see my best friend go through this difficult time, and there's a lot of times when I miss her, that she's not able to join me in certain things as she's recovering from whatever's happening to her body with the chemotherapy and all, as she's recovering from whatever's happening to her body with the chemotherapy and all and the Lyme disease symptoms that are magnified at times.

Speaker 1:

But God has been giving her a brand new relationship with her oldest daughter which is so amazing and it's just, oh my gosh, I'm going to cry even thinking about it. I'm so glad that that's happening for you because that is like something that was so needed. I mean, your relationship was fine but now it's like excellent. You're seeing a side of her that is so tender and loving, and I think it's really awesome for her too. And the fact that you now have a dog what is going on? You know, dad said he would never get another dog, and here you have a lovely dog that God picked out for you. And I could go on.

Speaker 1:

There's the list is long of the blessings I've seen in this short season. So far it has been short. The blessings I've seen in this short season so far it has been short relative to what's ahead. I know, I know, and I'm so blessed that God has given me gratitude to help me think his thoughts and see things with his eyes that I wouldn't. I mean, I know you're going through it, but I tell you what it was really. Yeah, it was a tough day when you got that diagnosis in my mind too.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, in my heart as well, I know Well, we kind of carry each other's burdens and sometimes it's harder to be the person that's not diagnosed. Because I've been that person too. Because I've been that person too when you went through your health crisis in 2014,.

Speaker 2:

I was on my knees through that whole time and that was hard, really, really hard, I know. Hmm, yeah, so what I'm noticing right now in this season is that it's really, really easy for me to slip into a pity party. And you know, like we've said, we don't want to minimize. I need to talk about it. I need to talk about it with you know, my safe people. I need to cry and all of those things, and but there's this slippery slope going on where, um, if I stay in a certain place in my thoughts for too long, I'm going down and that's where the enemy wants to take me.

Speaker 2:

And so, again, just that idea that I get to choose my thoughts, and not only that, but I have the authority, through Christ, to send the enemy away. And I think we forget that sometimes. I think sometimes we think that the enemy is so powerful that he doesn't have any power. Really, god has all the power, and so I get to choose thoughts, lies from the culture, from my past, from my own thoughts, from my fears from the enemy, or do I stop that in the moment, submit those thoughts to Christ and ask him for his, and there is transformation there. That's like the best word really.

Speaker 2:

Transformation means something has been completely made new. Something has been completely like restructured, like rejuvenated, refreshed. Like when you hit refresh on your computer you know it's like, oh, I'm refreshed because I'm thinking God's thoughts after him, and gratitude is the best place to begin. In some ways, it's the easiest place to begin. Yesterday I sat out front of our. We have a beautiful front yard with beautiful trees, and I just started with being thankful for the trees, mm-hmm and the squirrels running after each other on the trees and the bark, the beautiful bark pattern and the way that the leaves were dancing in the wind. And I noticed little tiny golden leaves, because we're coming into fall already. Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2:

I know, and it's just barely barely begun, but I didn't have to go into everything that was hard and heavy and all I had to do was focus on a tree that God made so beautifully and I was there, I was in the midst of gratitude and it calmed me, my whole body calmed down, and then I was able to go into some other things. But start so simple, start so simple with gratitude and then, once you're there, you're there and your thoughts are, you know, um, lining up with God's thoughts, and I love that. I'm so grateful that I have that.

Speaker 2:

And I'm so grateful that I can choose it whenever, whenever I want, whenever I need One of the things that I'm so grateful that I can choose it whenever, whenever I want, whenever I need.

Speaker 1:

One of the things that I'm thinking as you were talking was that for some people, this is really hard to even just start small, and so we have a mind renewal tool that is a gratitude tool that helps people start small when you feel the least willing, this tool can be so helpful. You know which one I'm thinking of? Lord I love, yes, of course, and so we're going to share that with you as we close, because you might be somebody going. I don't have anything to be thankful for, and I think a lot of us have gone in our lives. We've put these categories around ideas and like. That's for people like Christina, who's always happy.

Speaker 2:

I'm kidding, of course.

Speaker 1:

Anyway, or that's for somebody else. Anyway, is there anything in your life right now that you love, like do I love that I can take probiotics in gummy form? I do that's just because I need probiotics in order to repair my gut biome because of the damage I've done from 11 years of being on antibiotics. And I just discovered these. Thank you, chat GPT discovered these. Thank you, chat GPT. Lord, I love that gummies can be probiotic. Oh my gosh, how great is that? It's amazing. And so you see how fluffy that I mean it seems fluffy, but I love that right now, after eating those gummies, my gut is being benefited. My yeah being benefited.

Speaker 1:

My yeah, there's repair going on right now.

Speaker 2:

I love that too. I love that you can just choose something in the moment. That is so simple. I love that I'm able to breathe easily. You know, we live at high elevation and a lot of the older people in our area have to use oxygen. I love that I'm able to breathe freely. I love that God gave me healthy, strong lungs. That's simple enough, I love it, I'm so grateful.

Speaker 1:

And I love my soft, furry, fluffy, floofy dog Blue. I love him. See, you can start as floofy and fluffy as you want and what it does is it kind of can make you giggle. It can make you giggle. Okay, I get it, this is easy. What else do you love, christina, give me another one. What do you love?

Speaker 2:

Another one that I love. I love that my daughter, my oldest daughter, brushed my hair last night for half an hour. I love that. That felt so good. It was better than a massage. It was better than anything. Really, in the moment we were watching a movie together and she brushed my hair for half an hour oh my gosh, and I love the way that it deepened our relationship. It was so simple but it was so good, so so good.

Speaker 1:

Yes, this morning, as I was sitting on the patio, I was loving the way the wind chimes that you gave me made me think of you. The sound they were making was so beautiful and it just reminded me of how God wants to move in my life and make music through my life, like the wind. You can't see the wind, but you can hear it as it moves through the wind chimes.

Speaker 1:

The wind chimes are just an instrument, kind of passive really, and the wind makes them beautiful and I love that. I love that the sound is beautiful, I love it reminds me of my best friend who gave me the wind chimes, and I love that it reminds me of the way God wants to work in my life as well, one more.

Speaker 2:

Okay, so this is kind of this is kind of funny. But my husband, he doesn't really like the Lord I love thing, it's just not really his deal. So I came up with one just for him. He doesn't even really know, but I say, well, the good thing is, and he likes that better. That's more his language. Yeah, so we'll be talking about anything, something one of the kids or work, or my diagnosis or whatever and I'll say, well, you know what the good thing is. And he jumps right in and he doesn't even know he's redoing his mind. Well, the good thing is, the weather is so much cooler today. That feels really good, doesn't it? Yeah, well, what's? Well? Well, the good thing is that you know the car's already full of gas. Well, the good thing is that the car is already full of gas, so we don't have to leave early to fill it up before we go. The good thing is, and he likes that better.

Speaker 1:

All right, so we can try Lord I love, or the good thing is, or anything else. That is a really great on-ramp to a gratitude practice when I'm feeling frustrated in my life or when I'm feeling kind of resentful towards God. I'm just being honest here. Which happens for me?

Speaker 2:

Yes, of course.

Speaker 1:

I have found that Lord I love and I'm sure the good thing is could work too, A really good way of seeing my heart soften a little bit and recognizing God's goodness right where I am.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely, and the good thing is that it's God's design.

Speaker 1:

And the good thing is there's lots of good things there's so many.

Speaker 2:

It's just making us smile. Heidi and I are just grinning ear to ear right now because there's so many of those right.

Speaker 1:

The good thing is Well, we're glad that you have joined us, in fact, the good thing is. Well, we're glad that you have joined us. In fact, the good thing is you have been here.

Speaker 2:

Yes, yes we've loved having you here today and we hope that you'll join us for our next episode of revelation within on the go next time. Bye.

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