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Hi, and welcome to our podcast, Revelation Within on the Go. I am Heidi Filesma Epperson, one of your hosts, and the owner and lead coach of the RevelationWithin.org Ministry.

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And I'm Christina Motley, your other host, also a Revelation Within coach, and Heidi's partner in all things Revelation Within. We are so happy to invite you to join us for this episode of Revelation Within.

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Yeah, so right down here. Here at Revelation Within, you know, we believe and teach and encourage that transformation doesn't come through putting pressure on myself to change or on yourself to change. Right. It comes through mind renewal. It really does. And identity in Christ and being firmly grounded in what God says is true about who He is, about who I am. And that's just for starters. And in really getting settled in that, I can learn to live from peace instead of from performance.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19

Yes. So if you've ever felt like you should be farther along, has anyone out there ever felt that way? Hands are going up all over. If you've ever been frustrated that change feels slower than you hoped, this is the episode for you. And for me.

SPEAKER_00: 1:41

Me too. Yeah. So think about this for a moment before we get started. And Christine, I would love to hear what you think of this. What if the reason that change feels so elusive, so hard, isn't because we're resisting transformation necessarily, but because we've been trying to move faster than our soul can travel. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_01: 2:06

Well, I'm just trying to wrap my brain around how my soul could travel at this moment. I'm like, what would that look like? I'm thinking of like a little convertible car or a VW van or yeah, exactly. Oh my gosh. Um, no, this this is a really, really good what if. And what if is one of our mind renewal tools of revelation within? Not like, what if, you know, my car doesn't start? Not that kind of what if, but the kind of what if that really causes us to kind of dream big with the Lord, you know, because he can do anything. So I love this idea. Okay, so what if what if the reason change feels so hard isn't because we're resisting transformation. I mean, the people that I talk to every day, they are not resisting transformation, they are longing for it. And those that we talk to in our groups and classes, they are longing for transformation. So um we're not necessarily pushing against that, but what are we doing? How are we doing it? I know for me, it's often me running ahead. And so is that uh running ahead of my soul, running ahead of my heart, running ahead of what God wants to do in his own timing.

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So let's explore that a little bit today. Um, you know, let's explore why so many struggles that you and I can relate to. Yes, food, body, image, and and the stuff that we say to ourselves are actually maybe struggles with putting too much pressure on ourselves to move quickly. And really, Radiant Grace invites us into a slower, safer way of becoming all God has called us to be. And that's the thing, is it's God's invitation into a slower, safer, quieter, more focused on him, really way of becoming. I love that.

SPEAKER_01: 4:08

I love it too. That's not the message that we get from the world every day, all the time. The message from the world, um, you know, when we're streaming or on social media, the message is urgent, urgent, rush, hurry up, go as fast as you can. What are you waiting for? You are way behind. You know, that's the message. It's very kind of frantic. It's not peaceful, it's not safe, it's not slow. It's really the opposite of that. And I mean, I have to admit, there's times that I get caught up in that too. It's like, hurry, hurry, hurry. Um, you've got to change this now, you know, those kinds of things. And so I love that Radiant Grace invites us into a place of safety, a place of slowing down with the Lord and going at his pace. I mean, that's not easy. It's not what we're used to. But boy, does that sound good.

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So a lot of us, when we decide, okay, I probably need to invite God in. I probably need to approach my need for healing. It's time. So many times when we do that, we have a destination in mind. It's not just healing and whatever God wants. We have something very concrete in our heads, don't you think?

SPEAKER_01: 5:33

Oh, absolutely. Usually it's a version of ourselves that we're trying to arrive at. It's like, okay, if I get to this place, I'll be there, I'll be done. I will be good to go and you know, done deal type thing. Yeah. Um, and that's a lot of pressure. It is.

SPEAKER_00: 5:52

Usually the version of us that we have in mind is calmer, more in control, less reactive, yeah, and definitely at peace with food and eating, more accepting of our body. And sometimes we even have in mind what our body should look like if we're going to be accepting of it.

SPEAKER_01: 6:11

Yes. Oh, for sure. Well, and we also assume that if we can just get there, if we can just get to that finish line, quote unquote, everything else in our lives will finally settle down. This is the one thing. It's like the key to the chaos in our lives. The key to the chaos. Yeah. I feel like I, oh, I've believed that for so many years. Um, too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 6:42

I remember thinking all I need to do is lose all the weight and get happy and fit and then everything will fall into place. That wasn't the answer. That wasn't the panacea because I accomplished what I hoped to with my body at that time. And there were still lots of problems.

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Lots of problems. I know, and that's so disappointing, isn't it? It's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, did I miss the whole thing? Like, what just happened? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 7:12

What if the issue isn't the destination we have in mind at all? Yeah. Although, you know, we want to invite God into that too and let Him kind of structure what the destination should be.

SPEAKER_01: 7:22

Yes, yes. And what if it's the pace we've been using to try to get there? What if that's the issue? The pacing of it.

SPEAKER_00: 7:32

You know, I think, judging from all of the people we've gotten a chance to talk to over the last 10, 12 years, however long, for me, even longer. Yeah. I don't think a lot of women realize how much urgency they're carrying. I mean, there's this shortness of breath, there's this tightness of the shoulders, there's this kind of this ongoing go, go, go. I'm not enough. I am too much. I'm, I mean, there's just this constant must-do more. I mean, for many of us, even though it isn't resting sometimes.

SPEAKER_01: 8:09

Yeah. And it doesn't seem to matter what season of life we're in, you know? Like I used to think, okay, when my kids are older, life's gonna settle down when I'm not changing diapers anymore, when we're not, you know, using the sippy cups and having nap time. And now I'm like longing for nap time. I'm like, oh, those days all of a sudden feel very simple compared to now. You know, what you were just describing, Heidi, that angst. I know so many of us struggle with that. It's it's something internal, it's definitely coming from the inside, and it's subtle. Like sometimes we don't even notice that it's there, but it sure is. The other thing that it feels like is constant. Yeah, we go and go, we get up in the morning and immediately there's a thousand thoughts in our mind about what we need to do, what's gonna happen, what happened yesterday, what's gonna happen tomorrow. Do I have these things in order for today? What about this? It's it's tough. It's tough.

SPEAKER_00: 9:12

It is, it is. And if you have heard yourself say, I should be farther by now, what is wrong with me? Yeah, or I shouldn't still struggle with this. Right. Or other people seem to figure this out so much faster than me. You know, that's the kind of stuff we say to ourselves when we're in this frame of mind of hurry, hurry, go, go, go, gotta get her done. Yes. And really, I think one of the reasons why we don't recognize this for what it is, is that urgency feels somehow like it's responsible.

SPEAKER_01: 9:44

Yeah.

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You know, if I'm busy, that's almost like an accolade in this world in our culture. It is. You know, it feels disciplined to be busy or urgent about something. It even feels, dare I say it, it even feels spiritual sometimes. Yeah. And so I don't invite God to help me with that because I think I'm good, that God is glorified in this sense of urgency and false responsibility. I mean, it's it's something when you think about it.

SPEAKER_01: 10:16

Well, I feel like I'm kind of an expert on um doing things, doing things that God has not called me to.

SPEAKER_00: 10:25

You know, others in our listening audience can identify with that.

SPEAKER_01: 10:30

Do you remember, Heidi, years, years ago, 12 years ago, when we first started coaching, and you suggested that I write a list of all the responsibilities and all the things that were weighing on me. My kids were young at the time, school age. I was teaching at the local school, and we had my mother-in-law living here in our home in hospice care. But I mean, you would think that would be plenty enough, right? But I had said yes to all kinds of things, bringing a meal to somebody, or you know, teaching this or doing this extra thing at church, or, you know, the neighbor needed this or whatever it was. And you suggested, let's write it all out. Write it all out and ask God, what have you been called to? And what do you need to let go? And I thought, well, I've been called to all of it, of course. If somebody asks me for something, I'm being called to it, right? No, no, no, not at all. And so when I finally took this to the Lord and I went down the list and I had my little pencil and I started crossing things off, and I realized I was the one calling myself to all of these things, yeah, not God. And he had a very short specific list of what was important to him and what he wanted me to be doing. And that was just a huge aha for me. I just, I will never forget that. You know, we have those little milestones where it's like, oh yeah. And I've done I've done that many times since written things out and it's like, okay. So, but what do we do? I mean, that busyness that you were talking about, that urgency, we actually baptize it. That's kind of crazy. Like, oh, this is this is it. I had a friend call me a couple of days ago and say, You would not believe how much I got done today. And she went down a list. And I thought, oh my gosh, you know, that is that same kind of thing. We call it conviction, we call it maturity, we call it taking growth seriously. But that friend of mine was completely drained, completely exhausted. And when her family came home, she had nothing left for them. I don't know, maybe she was called to all of those things. She felt very excited that she had checked all the things off of her list. But I thought about my list and the list that I've made since. And it's like, okay, Christina, what are you really being called to? Maybe it's time to put the list aside and do something completely different after asking God what his thoughts are.

SPEAKER_00: 13:18

Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting because so very often what motivates us is not our the growth that we long for. Right. It's fear. It's actually fear. It might be a fear of staying stuck, it might be fear of disappointing God. And we can't, by the way. He loves us as is. It might be fear of being judged, or fear if we don't take care of this now, we'll never change. Or that if we slow down, or if we rest, we will never change. Yes. And then fear speeds us up. You know, it's so interesting to me. They God says in his word that perfect love, and he, of course, 1 Corinthians 13 shows us that he is love. Yes, perfect love casts out fear. But what does fear do in our bodies physiologically? Think about it. It tightens the jaw up. Oh boy. Yes, it shortens the breath, it keeps our shoulders lifted and tight. And the nervous system reads that as a threat. As a threat. Ah chased by a wild animal or something.

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I don't know. Right. Yeah, the shoulders one really resonates with me, especially my right shoulder. I don't know why, but that's the one that goes up when I'm feeling that stress and urgency. So here's something important too. Our nervous systems don't respond to urgency as inspiration. Oh, that's motivation. Yeah. Oh, this is exciting. No, no, not as a positive thing. It responds to urgency as danger. Danger, danger, danger, will rob. Wouldn't that be helpful? Oh dear. Now I'm really dating myself. So when your body feels pressured, it actually doesn't cooperate. What does it do? It it goes into protection mode. It's like, okay, I have to protect my person. Right? That's what I have to do. Um, and what does that protection look like?

SPEAKER_00: 16:38

Yeah, it can be cravings that go on overdrive. I'm I might have this overwhelming urge to overeat. It could be shutdown. It could be absolute shutdown. It could be procrastination, numbness. And this is not because I'm weak or because you're weak. Right. It's because our body is wired for safety first. Yes. And what we're doing and telling ourselves is running counter to peace, running counter to shalom, running counter to what we call radiant grace. God designed your nervous system and mine to scan for threats to protect you. That I mean, that's the truth of it. And it is, and this isn't some evolutionary thing I'm talking about, because I personally am not an evolutionist at all. I was a science teacher and I wasn't then and I'm not now. And you can write me hate mail if you want to, but that's not what it's about. God designed our nervous system, though, to function in a beautiful way, in sync with what He brings into our lives or allows in our lives. When we push ourselves with, I should be better by now, the body hears something is wrong. We are not safe. And you know what? Sometimes we put ourselves in a place where we aren't safe because many people will restrict the food they eat, they will over-exercise, they will do things to themselves to try to change their bodies that actually reinforce the message that we are in danger. And actually, that could be true, depending upon how you far you go with it.

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Right? That's absolutely true.

SPEAKER_00: 18:18

Yeah. So when you think about that, we're gonna look at some scripture now. Okay, Psalm 46, 10 says, be still and know that I am God. It's such an interesting little verse. Be still. How easy is that for all of us? It's you know, it isn't passive, no, it's relational. God doesn't reveal himself to those sprinting toward him in panic. Yeah, he reveals himself in stillness, and so it's in that stillness that we can invite God in and show me what your thoughts are about this God. And as we do that, we know that he is the one and only God, he is sovereign over my life, he is sovereign and good, and I want to take that into account in whatever I'm doing or choose to do next. Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 19:14

Okay, so I'm imagining myself sprinting toward him in a panic because I've done that so many times, just running as fast as I could, you know, the sweats dripping everywhere. And it's like, Lord, I'm in a panic. And of course, he's there. But what's happening when I stop? What happens to my body? What is the message that I'm telling my body when I stop and be still before him? Stillness tells the nervous system that I'm safe, everything is actually okay. I'm not in danger, and I don't have to hurry. Let's slow down, let's see what God has to say, let's be quiet for just a moment so that we can hear him. And that's boy, that's hard for me. I feel like I'm wired to be that sprinting, panicked girl.

SPEAKER_00: 20:13

Yeah, you're not wired for that, but I get it. Yeah, I totally get it. Yeah, I remember a season, and and I really do. I remember many of them actually, where I was so determined to fix something. Yes, yes, and often it was about my eating. I had the plan in mind, I had the scriptures because of course I'm going to be sure it's a Christian plan. Of course. I had the tools. Yes, you did, but I was so determined, I warped the plan of God to some degree by like, I'm not even gonna go into the details of how I changed it, but I'm thinking of a specific instance. I think it could cause others to stumble if I told you. Right. But I was moving fast, I was tight, I was determined. And one night, after another day of sploogieing, messing up, failing, before I really understood the value and blessing of look and learn, I I sensed God telling me, what's the rush? What's the big rush? And you know, I do, I remember this very well. I remember thinking, well, I I can take it as it comes. I can take it peacefully and quietly because I'm where will I be a year from now if I do it fast? Where will I be a year from now if I do this thing slowly, making sure I'm following what God's inviting me to?

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Right.

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But at the time I was so afraid that if I didn't change quickly, I would never change. It was like I've got my momentum now. Don't get in my way. I'm I'm on this road, I'm gonna do it. But that pressure was making it harder. I had my charts and I had my graphs and I had my scales and I had all this stuff. I had all the things. Yes, I can relate. I can relate. And when I slowed down and actually let myself breathe, my body softened. And at this time that I'm thinking of, it was also when God said, I want you to stay off the bathroom scale. Oh, that's just me. He told me that. And he has told me that several times over the course of my life. But it felt like such a relief.

SPEAKER_01: 22:30

Yeah.

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Because I was letting that direct me. My fear of the scale, actually, was directing me, was causing me to choose to eat or not eat, exercise or not exercise, or exercise more. You know, change began to happen in a completely different way. It wasn't explosive, it was definitely deeper, much more formational. Wow.

SPEAKER_01: 22:55

Yay! Yay! But I mean, how many of us can relate to that? Oh my gosh, the charts and the graphs and the counting, counting all day, counting everything. Counting and counting and go. Oh. So the body experiences speed differently than the mind. You can mentally decide, I'm gonna do better. Here I go. Watch me. This is it. Before and after. Here we go. But if your nervous system is braced, you know, it's I'm thinking of when you kind of brace yourself, right? Your body will resist. Whoa. I mean, just when I think about that, I'm kind of blown away because I did that for so many years. Healing, it just doesn't happen under pressure. It just doesn't. Healing happens under safety.

SPEAKER_00: 23:54

Yeah, and it's so interesting because as you were saying, healing doesn't happen under pressure. How many of us in our culture think that anything good can happen fast and should happen fast? I mean, we tend to think that. Like I remember even in the days when I ran the website for Thin Within, we had 12 weeks to a new body.

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Oh my god.

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I'm sorry, Lord. I am so sorry. Talk about pressure. And if you can't do it in 12 weeks, we've got 12 more weeks for you. Oh my goodness. Yeah, I mean, I just talk about pressure. What really needs to heal doesn't happen that way. It doesn't happen that way. It happens in a safe environment. It happens when I'm thinking the thoughts that God is thinking. You know, he says we have the mind of Christ. And he says he wants us to be transformed, not by a new program, even if it's Christian. He wants us to be transformed how?

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By the renewing of our minds.

SPEAKER_00: 25:01

Yes, ma'am. I mean, and think about how Jesus moved through his life. That's told us in the gospels, he withdrew. He didn't rush around most of the time. I don't think I can see. I mean, I think of when Martha and Mary called for him because Lazarus was sick. He stayed in the same place for four days. He did. What? Yeah. What? Instead, yeah, Jesus withdrew. He rested. He lingered with people. He wasn't frantic. There's one exception to that, maybe. And I'm thinking of when he was overturning the money changers' tables. Maybe that seemed frantic. I don't know. But he, generally speaking, was not a frantic person or operating under pressure. No one would accuse him of being ineffective. Right. And I think it's true. We can say that God's pace is not frantic. Yeah. It's intentional. Yes. And more importantly, maybe even than that, is it's relational. God wants to walk with us. He wants us to lean into him, to need him, to see that he is enough.

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Yes.

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It's an amazing truth when it comes home. It's amazing.

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But I mean, I like it when it comes home. Yeah, and it feels so good to hear that too. I feel like I need to hear something like that along those lines every single day.

SPEAKER_02: 26:24

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_01: 26:25

Yeah. Well, let's go to Galatians 5, verses 22 and 23. The fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. So we're talking about fruit here. Fruit grows at its own pace. You can't run up to a fruit tree and say, hurry up, let's go. What's wrong with you? You're too slow. I mean, you could, but it's not gonna help. You know, you can't rush fruit without actually damaging the tree.

SPEAKER_00: 27:05

Yeah. And it's interesting when you think about it. The peace that we long for is a fruit. Yes. It's not a product, not something we manufacture. Right. It emerges where? From abiding in Christ. You know, the fruit of the Holy Spirit is love, joy, peace. And so we want to keep that in mind that it's it's leaning into him, depending on him, inviting him in. That is where my peace is found and experienced. Right. So for a lot of women, food becomes the only place where we slow down. And I know some of us who are fast eaters go, what I don't slow down. Well, think about this for a minute. When you sit down to a meal, you're like focusing your attention on one thing. You're you're in a way, it's like being centered. I don't care for that way of thinking of it exactly because it's used by the new age people and stuff for other things. But it takes all my faculties, my eyes, my nose, I mean, sometimes even my ears and my touch and face, and it focuses it on this item in front of me or items in front of me. Yeah. And that our nervous systems, I am convinced, think of that as peace. And it's like, yes. And so sometimes when I think we have this desire to overeat, it might just be we need peace. Maybe we don't want food really, or need food really. We know it.

SPEAKER_01: 28:37

Yeah, I think, I think this is really a huge insight that food for many of us becomes the only place we're allowed to slow down. You know, I've heard I'll hear like a um a busy mom friend say to me, Well, I need to eat. I need to sit down and eat. And it's like, yeah, because we need to be allowed sometime in the day to put the brakes on and slow down. And that's, I think that's really a big one for us. You know, it could be the first exhale of the day. Um, that fancy coffee in the drive-thru after the kids are dropped off at school. Right. Oh, I made it. Here's my fancy coffee, whether I'm hungry or not, whether I need it or not, whatever. It's like, okay, you know, I need a reason to put on the brakes. I think that's huge. That's a big one for me. It's the moment when no one needs anything, it's the moment when no one expects anything, and you just get to exhale and have this food or drink.

SPEAKER_00: 29:43

Yeah, it's like food becomes permission.

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Right.

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I mean, think about it. If food is permission to pause, permission to soften, yeah, permission to feel. Yeah, if that's true, the solution isn't likely to be tighter control. You can have only this many blocks or this many points or this many something or others. It's really, what is the solution? Maybe it's learning how to create pauses before we're desperate for them. Yes. And so desperate that eating is the only way we get them.

SPEAKER_01: 30:17

Exactly. Isaiah 30, 15. Heidi and I love this verse so much. In repentance and rest is your salvation. In quietness and trust is your strength. Amen. Wow. I mean, what? Really? Well, I've been doing it all wrong. I've been running down the street as fast as I could. There's nothing quiet about my day. And I'm certainly not strong or resting, right? It's like, okay, so what is the truth here? Strength doesn't come from pushing harder. What? But that's what we're told. We're told to push as hard as we can and to push through.

SPEAKER_00: 31:03

Yes.

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No, it comes from trusting enough to rest.

SPEAKER_00: 31:09

Yes. And that verse flips everything for us. We think strength looks like discipline. Do more, do it faster, do it better. Yes. But God says it looks like quietness and trust. Right. Oh, right. I need to get that.

SPEAKER_01: 31:26

Yeah, I think we all do. Okay, here is just a big, huge truth that I think we all need to hear often. God is not in a hurry with you. God's not in a hurry with me. I mean, this might be the most healing truth that we can offer today. God is not in a hurry with us. He's just not.

SPEAKER_00: 31:49

Right. He's not holding a clipboard. He's not blowing the whistle saying, get moving. He's not blowing your whistle. He's not frustrated by your pace. Uh-huh. He's not measuring progress the way you might be, or I might. Right. Formation is slower than self-improvement. Self-improvement. Yeah. No, God chooses formation. Yes. Because really, formation builds intimacy with him. Ooh, I want that. I want that too. That sounds so good. Doesn't it? Yeah. Micah 6.8 says, What does the Lord require of you to walk humbly with your God? You know, walking implies kind of that intimacy, that companionship. It does. Does with you-ness. If you don't mind me using a made-up word, that with you-ness, it's matching my pace to his.

SPEAKER_02: 32:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 32:45

Not racing ahead, not dragging behind, but staying with him. It's with you-ness.

SPEAKER_01: 32:55

Yeah. I think sometimes when I'm praying, when I'm uh walking, when I'm talking with the Lord, I think about looking down at my feet and seeing Jesus' feet next to mine. And he's always wearing flip-flops. I don't know why that is. And like jeans with a hole in the knee. I don't know. I just have this image of Jesus walking with me with the flip-flops. Because that is, that's what it what's going on. He's walking with us and he loves to, and he longs to. And then all of a sudden I'm sprinting and I'm just like way out in front of him. And he's like, hey, slow down. I've got some things to teach you. You're gonna love this. Okay, how do we really know if we're moving too fast? This is a great question, I think. How do we know? Does the change that I'm pursuing feel tight in my chest? Am I feeling that tightness? Does it carry an undertone of I should be better? I should be farther along. I should, I should, I should. Is that pressure there? Does it leave me feeling like I'm behind? I should be way farther ahead by now. If so, I might be or you might be moving faster than grace.

SPEAKER_00: 34:18

And Grace feels spacious. Does it not passive though, but it's spacious for sure. There's in real grace, there's room for breath. And how about this? There's even room for mistakes.

SPEAKER_01: 34:34

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00: 34:35

Because we know God teaches us through the mistakes. A failure doesn't have to be fatal. Grace gives us room to learn. So if your growth, if or my growth, you know, if we feel like there's no margin for slips, stumbles, falls, failures, imperfection, yeah, then it may not be rooted in grace.

SPEAKER_01: 34:54

Wait, I have to leave margin for imperfection. What is that? Oh what about what about that calendar that I used to have in my kitchen where where I crossed off every perfect day and then threw the calendar in the trash after less than a week? What about that? I need margin for imperfection. That actually feels like relief to me to even think about that.

SPEAKER_00: 35:25

And see, that's just it. Grace is going to, we're gonna experience it, and our nervous system will experience it as relief because that's what God's about. He's not about, you know, slave driver type things. I mean, he's just not, he's not a slave driver. No, he invites all to come to him and experience rest for their souls.

SPEAKER_01: 35:47

I love that, Heidi. I love that. Me too. Thank you. I know, right? Okay, so what does Radiant Grace ask? What questions does Radiant Grace ask? Not how do I fix this? How do I go faster? How do I increase the pressure? No, Radiant Grace asks, what is my body asking for? What a concept.

SPEAKER_00: 36:15

Yeah, it's not why am I still here stuck? No, but it's what is God forming in me here? And when we slow down, we hear things that we couldn't hear before. We hear our our souls' longing for needs to be met, the longings we have for different things like intimacy with God, a closeness with people. We might even hear the grief that we've been carrying. God meets us in those places of our needs, our longings, and our grief. Not with urgency, but with his calming, peaceful presence.

SPEAKER_01: 36:58

Oh, that's beautiful. Okay, so this is why the Radiant Grace planner exists.

SPEAKER_00: 37:06

Yeah, it's not a productivity tool. In fact, I feel like I should change the name of it from planner to something else, a rester. It's a rester. It's really a permission slip to slow down. Yes, a permission slip. Yes, it is a free download, and we refreshed it for 2026. So it's designed to help you practice some of these gentler rhythms we speak of without the pressure or performance or checklists or whatever else, and you can download it at revelationwithin.org forward slash planner. Revelationwithin.org forward slash planner.

SPEAKER_01: 37:48

It is beautiful. I think you will love it if you download it. It is beautiful. Yay. So if you've been feeling behind or discouraged, or tired of trying to become someone faster than your soul allows.

SPEAKER_00: 38:06

We want you to hear this really clearly. Yeah, really clearly. Yes, you are not failing. Oh, say it again, Heidi. You are not failing.

SPEAKER_01: 38:21

You are becoming.

SPEAKER_00: 38:23

You are becoming. Yes. And becoming is kind of quiet. It looks like choosing pause over push.

SPEAKER_01: 38:31

Yeah, it does.

SPEAKER_00: 38:32

One honest prayer instead of ten promises. Right. I'm gonna do better. Listening instead of overriding.

SPEAKER_01: 38:40

And sometimes it looks like doing less.

SPEAKER_00: 38:43

Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 38:44

It looks like trusting more. And it looks like letting God walk at the speed of your nervous system.

SPEAKER_00: 38:51

Yes, that is radiant grace. Not force, not frenzy, but formation and recognizing and leaning into that he is walking with you. Sometimes he's even carrying you.

SPEAKER_01: 39:05

Yeah. A lot of times, I think. A lot of times.

SPEAKER_00: 39:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 39:10

Well, we are so glad that you've been here today. So glad. And we would love to invite you to come to our next podcast episode of Revelation Within. See you next time. Great day. Bye for now.